Review deletion.

2009-11-23 05:18:51 by Rina-chan

So, I'm rather confused.

I was recently notified that I had a review deleted for being "abusive". I voted the movie a 0 in my review, but I clearly explained my reasons for doing so. It was not a spam "LOLOLOLOLOLOL U SUCK UR MOVIE SUX!!!!!!!! 0!!! blam!!!" review; while I was rather harsh (because frankly the 'movie' should have never made it past the voting stage, but had a bunch of goonies giving it 5s to make sure it passed into the portal) I actually wrote a great deal and detailed why the movie should not have passed judgement.

Review was rather promptly deleted.

Meanwhile, I still see spam reviews all over it, but they are untouched.

I don't know which mod did this; it sends a bot notification, but it seems rather poor judgment on his/her call. Why even have an option to vote zero if you will get a warning for using it, even if your review had merit?


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2009-11-23 05:45:46

the world of newgrounds is a strange and unfair place Rina.

Maybe you should tell your other friends like Egoraptor or Kirb about this, they can help spread the message and help you solve this.


2009-11-23 06:18:11

I don't think it was becuase you voted 0. It was probaly the same goonies voting 5 to get past the portal that were probaly smashing the report button as well. The system isn't perfect. I seen 3 stolen flash games get past the voting without a simple word on it. I ended up having to pm a couple moderators with links to the site just to prove it. Sometimes error in judgment is all it was, lets just hope the movie will forever be buried in the databases never to rise again as anything important. :D


2009-11-23 07:14:12

Don't even bother reviewing anymore. Review mods aren't even that good as they used to be. They now attack on ANY flagged review, regardless of who posted.

Oh by the way, nice going with the ding there.


2009-11-23 07:16:19

thats funny... that happen to me a couple of weeks ago... you should just let it go. the uploader probably couldnt handle the truth so he complained to the staff =/ ya no? you should just let it be... but hey thats just my opinion.

Rina-chan responds:

I'm letting it be; I don't plan to contest it or anything as it's not worth the trouble. Just sayin'.


2009-11-23 09:17:14

uhhh i dont know if this matters to you but: I saw a post on newgrounds front page some artist guy said that two newgrounders massed hacked some moderators so they might have gotten rid of your review for extra money made by the flash makers and so they hacked into the accounts and caused mayhem. That is my theory: buddy1006 (>'.')><( '.' )><('.'<)


2009-11-23 10:01:21

I know how you feel....But still, if there is anything we can do, we might just get lectured by the mods. Cause.....WE CAN"T DO ANYTHING!!!!....Life is Unfair. BTW, I love you.


2009-11-23 10:09:41

Erhem, may I butt in here and give you my take on the situation?

I´d say it was that "Should not have made it past judgement" thing that got your review got deleted.

As far as I know, you are not allowed to attack a submissions current status- what you said might be the same as saying "This flash does not deserve this or that award" which I know for a fact counts as abusive. So, no matter how well you explain why a certain submission does not deserve its current position, the fact of the matter is that it is not allowed to attack submission status in the first place.

That is how it was explained to me, and this is what I personally think happened here.

If you feel you have been wronged, by all means contact a rev mod. They aren´t as bad as they may seem, and they are OBLIGED to answer your questions.

Also: if you do contact any of them, I think he/ she will be happy if you accompany your complaint with the original review in full. Should be available in the PM you got to notify you the review had been deleted. If you do provide it, they will be able to point out exactly what you did wrong.

And, yeah it might seem a bit silly that wordier reviews are deleted in front of a bunch of "LOLERCOASTER" reviews, but please keep in mind that those may be taken down as well if the user writing them has a bunch of them. A few shorties are allowed, but if all one say to every submission is "G00d", "Lawlers" and "Shit mah pants" chances are all ones reviews will be deleted if someone notifies a rev mod of this behaviour.

But yeah. Those review mods. Talk to them. Might seem unlikely in your current position, but they will help explain this better than I ever could.

Rina-chan responds:

I've not been banned from posting reviews, so I probably just won't review anymore unless it's "OMG I LUV UR FLASH!!!!1111" seeing as I went through the deleted review thread on the BBS and anything saying "this flash was not good" or even something mild like that was considered abusive. I saw a lot worse stuff in reviews back when I first joined NG; seems pretty haphazard now and discourages people who might write legitimately constructive reviews (though mine was more towards the trollin' side.)


2009-11-23 10:41:19

''except you dont have any flashes'' i dont need to be a great flash animator to tell you the truth your a heavy /b/tard.due to this you cant use your brain except for random crap why dont you take your crap and go to /b/ section where you belong with other idiot /b/tards to post your garbage flash to f/ section?


2009-11-23 10:43:02

about the ban thing this always happens they dont do their job properly.


2009-11-23 10:51:14

What did your review say?

Rina-chan responds:

I don't remember exactly---I said the flash was bad, but I did explain why.


2009-11-23 20:10:36

well this kinda thing was actually the original reason i stopped reviewing on this site. thow its possible you may have "accidently" attacked the videos status or whatever, mistakes happen fairly often and as far as i can tell its really not hard to get anything past the voting stage. Anyone that remembers the fake alven earthworm and the things he posted will realize/remember how easy it is for practically ANYTHING to make it on this site... sadly:(


2009-11-23 20:56:06

You ever think they. I don't know. Cheat to get it not remove. Like fake user. Helping them vote 5 for it. You know to make people like you to not get it remove so easy. But there are lots of ways to get not remove. Hacking is one. But hey who really knows?


2009-11-23 21:13:41

I agree with you. I mean if something deserves a "zero", and the accompanying review has merit, then it should get it. My guess is that there were 'x' number of people that reported the review as abusive. Regardless of whether or not they were right, the number of reports was probably enough to get it removed. Likely the same people that kept giving it 5's to get it out of the "judgment" phase. Unless it starts happening to your more of your reviews, could likely have just been a fluke.

Ya win some, you lose some. :)


2009-11-23 23:45:23

same thing happened to you eh?


2009-11-24 06:44:35

OH NO not a review!


2009-11-24 16:52:45

I suggest you get over it, because you're just wasting your time whining about it.

Rina-chan responds:

I'm not "whining about it". It's a BLOG; hence Newgrounds users can write about things relevant to the site if they wish.


2009-11-24 19:38:37

I don't think anyone really gives a shit

Rina-chan responds:

apparently they do if someone made a comic about it


2009-11-24 20:45:30

Traditionally I don't give zeros because I feel anything with a minimal effort deserves a number but if I do come by such a flash I actually just vote a big fat zero and move on. I only review movies that I feel show the slightest chance of promise or above because frankly anything zero worthy usually gets blammed and as a result my review goes in vain. Some people's judgment is either purely different, intolerent, or unfortunately backwards-assed (mostly this result).


2009-11-26 21:40:01

well now we are two people


2009-11-26 21:44:46

Lol fag you really cant take a joke.... really

Rina-chan responds:

Oh, I can. It just has to be done well. Try harder next time.


2009-11-27 01:03:36

Twas a good flash :)


2009-11-27 08:39:56

can you give us a link to the review...?


2009-11-27 09:52:56

This is now starting to feel the Newground Wars documentary that I'd been listening to. Oh, and "Metal Gear Awesome 2" is no longer in the "Top 50 Flash/Game Submissions of All Time."


2009-11-27 14:07:51

''Please tell me how a video with random mspaint things flopping around and someone screaming incoherently into their mic is a "perfectly good flash"...?''

Wait... isn't that Brawl Taunts? XD


2009-11-27 17:23:30

hey rina love your work or i should say voice acting thing anyway is chris niosi your boyfriend because you guys did alout of work together i noticed or are you just friends or just coworkers


2009-11-27 17:35:23

i fell your pain rina i got banned for 7 days for voting 0 on that stupid mozz flash and said "the only good this will be is when i get 1 blam point for when this thing is kicked off" apparently that was offensive i dont get it people were voting 10's on it and it had crappy music crappy animation and a crappy background seriously what the hell freakin pm bot is coropte i say oh well i understand completly how your feeling my heart goes out to you. (in the not totaly wierd way)


2009-11-27 18:27:38

Wow, why make a whole post about the ordeal? You do realize you're only making yourself look worse to them right?

And people voted it past the voting stage because they ENJOYED IT and thought it was FUNNY. Why else do you think Brawl Taunts was voted past? There had to be some people who liked it to give it the score it has now.


2009-11-27 19:56:43

Yeah, I'd todally find that bullshit as well. People just don't seem to have a fair judgement anymore. I mean they don't even aknowlege the material people make for other peoples enjoyment. If there is just ONE thing someone doesn't like about it such as the way its made [Animation wise] or somthing. They are just selfish to try and get it off the site. Where the trolls come in as well. That or It could be just the fact that people that are "haters" are spreading rumors about your stuff saying "oh spam this person" Regaurdless. Some people just don't care about others opinions on stuff. If you gave statements on why you didnt like it. I guess that person was just embarressed of getting all of your statements shown on their stuff. Don't worry, People are wimps sometimes ^_^ What clip did you write your review on Rina?


2009-11-28 00:35:19

Hey Rina, I have to ask you something.


Because that's what the review said.

The intention of the review was to make you mad, posting a review that said "You suck at trolling." Is just falling right into Spazkid's trap.

Have a nice day.


2009-11-28 01:34:59

spot of tough luck with that turn of events, eh?
Ah well, I suppose with the millions of people willing to (hypothetically) jump in the way of a bullet for you, (me being one) you could very well leave the link to said movie and utilize us to give it an obscene amount of zeros (vote wise, review wise obviously won't work out well for anyone involved) and hopefully have it sent to that 'turd of the week' section, if it hasn't been there already... Crap the was long winded
Anyway, thanks again for The Lily lines, that should be out soon (if that sort of information concerns you...Not likely...Anyway)


2009-11-28 02:56:21

Times like these I'm glad I chose to take a "civilian" look on things. In other words, neutrality. Hell, I'm a bit afraid to take a side on this.


2009-11-28 22:15:04

what flash wuz it?


2009-11-29 15:37:37 little bitch...face it. you suck at writing,you suck at voice acting,you suck at Real life(LOL your a fucking cosplayer) you suck at everything

why dont you kill yourself and make us a favor ?


2009-11-29 16:04:53

Oh, and remember that the different rev mods all have different standards when it comes to moderating reviews, so it´s not too easy to know what to write...

Anyhow. I´m a bit sad that you have decided to not review anything that deserves a low score anymore, reviews are there to give a more precise measurement of a submissions worth, and this means all reviews, even those negative, are needed...

Constructive criticism, is the word.

Meh. Funk it, as long as you haven´t given up on reviewing completely, ´s all good.



2009-11-29 16:43:36

i agree with that, you should still rate flashes, even if they suck
it helps most people improve


2009-11-29 16:47:18

oh, and rina-chan, don't let people dis you like that , they'll think that you have low self esteme


2009-11-29 19:27:00

The person who made the flash also uploaded it to Youtube. He goes by the name ChainReacti0n AKA SpazkidXD. He was also planned on you leaving a review and giving it a zero so he could make fun of it like this ABqbjGbg/107.jpg?app=bg&v=4b00e5c b


2009-11-30 12:04:22

Wow, look at them go.
I miss all the drama around here, funny how you don't even need a face to start shit anymore :/
Hah. I'd like to see the flash though.
I dish out so many zeroes on inbound stuff but it never seems to matter, it's not even about the blam points, its just that so much of the spam is SOOOOO BAAADDD


2009-11-30 20:15:05

i agree with you rina. i just got a review deleted by m-bot.... and it was a POSITIVE review!


2009-12-05 02:49:40

so would this flash by any chance be that joked brawl taunts featuring Guitarmasterx7 and Druox? because screaming like a banshee and bad animation sounds a bit like it


2009-12-09 15:18:34



2009-12-17 00:20:52

made a good review and voted zero, but still got deleted?, problems w/ newgrounds?, a terrible flash got trough judgement and it sucks?
(except for the 3rd one because the other bastards vote 5 just to piss people off)

get my point?


2009-12-17 00:23:39

oh wait-was it the one with the guy w/ the big letters on top of it that said fuck mario? the "brawl taunts" one?
maybe you don't know what im talking about


2010-01-21 20:51:07

An internet is a home where retards go Rina. Just laugh at them when they destroy their own lives.


2010-01-31 23:36:45

I don't know what your talking about. I liked that video. It has more effort put into it than most spam, including my own.


2010-03-18 17:36:56

Reminds me of the time when I reviewed a below-average Sonic flash. I gave the user my thoughts saying that it's okay and he responded, acting like as if I hurt his feelings, which was something I would never intend to do.

Some people just can't take constructive criticism.


2010-09-29 13:32:39

It's ok, But I need to know if your fat, I swear I NEED TO KNOW IF YOUR FAT.


2010-11-08 16:14:42

Sorry to here that.


2011-03-24 02:28:57

Because Spazkid is a better voice actor than you.